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    Buddha was once preaching on the banks of a broad and deep river near Sravastf. The people there were unbelievers. Suddenly, to their astonishment, a man was seen crossing the river by walking on the surface of the water. " What means this portent ? " they said to the man. He gave answer, that being unable to procure a boat, and wishing to hear the preaching of Buddha, he had boldly walked over " because he believed."
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    for starters, Buddha did not preach, nor did he ask for believers. You are confusing religion with
    the wonderful life philosophy of Buddha.
    " Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? "
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    Wow, an ancient story, told from a friend to a friend to another friend to another friend to another friend and so on for thousands of years, like a never-ending game of telephone.... Colour me convinced.
    I expect to pass through this world but once, therefore any good that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now; let me not defer it or neglect it, for I shall not come this way again. -S.Grellet
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    Thank you for this apocryphal story of the Buddha. You appear to be using it in order to convince people to accept unreasonable propositions based on faith without evidence.

    Before using Buddhism to do this, you should probably first understand that it is a non-theistic spiritualistic worldview. It is not, as such, a "religion". In this article, the Dalai Lama calls Buddhism an atheistic worldview:

    Dalai Lama: I'm Buddhist, I'm a Buddhist practitioner. So actually I think that according to nontheistic Buddhist belief, things are due to causes and conditions. No creator. So I have faith in our actions, not prayer. Action is important. Action is karma. Karma means action. That's an ancient Indian thought. In nontheistic religions, including Buddhism, the emphasis is on our actions rather than god or Buddha. So some people say that Buddhism is a kind of atheism. Some scholars say that Buddhism is not a religion — it's a science of the mind.

    Interviewer: Do you agree with that?

    Dalai Lama: Oh, yes. I even consider Buddha and some of his important followers like Nagarjuna (one of Buddha's leading disciples) to be scientists. Their main method is analytical. Analyze, analyze — not emphasis on faith. And these masters are not magicians.
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    I really hate to take a page from the book of trolls, and quote things mindlessly, but.....

    "Believe nothing, o monks,
    merely because you have been told it ...
    or because it is traditional,
    or because you yourselves have imagined it.

    Do not believe what your teacher tells you
    merely out of respect for the teacher.

    But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis,
    you find to be conducive to the good,
    the benefit, the welfare of all beings,
    that doctrine believe and cling to,
    and take it as your guide."

    - Gautama Buddha

    And.....

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you have read it, or who said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own common sense."

    Buddha was a smart guy!
    I expect to pass through this world but once, therefore any good that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now; let me not defer it or neglect it, for I shall not come this way again. -S.Grellet
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    Those are excellent quotes.
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    I believe
    There are no gods
    Evidence supports this

    Each day I wake up with a new plan to locate the gods. I have searched closets, picked up rocks to look under, resorted to microscopes, yelled insults and sat quiet waiting, all to no avail. Each time I ask a god believer for help they tell me I have the problem and must be more receptive. How receptive can an objective person be? If gods existed they would want me to know and make a point of being found, so far all is quiet.
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    That put a smile on my face peteonbeach =)
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