Who created God

Originally Posted by Ken Coumerilh

As I see it there are two possibilities. One is that this reality we all experience has always been here. You philosophers please excuse my misuse of terms. The other is that someone, God, created it. Then the logical question becomes "where did God come from", which blows the causality idea.

Well you're missing a ton of different possibilities from a Matrix like scenario to reality being an illusion of the mind to "god" being nothing more than an advanced child and we're his ant farm. Don't limit yourself to two options if you're going to make your choice based on blind faith, faith in the Matrix is way cooler after all.

Originally Posted by Ken Coumerilh

For me, I can't live with the idea that everything was always here.

Too bad, you don't get to choose reality.

Originally Posted by Ken Coumerilh

What immediately comes to mind for me is that nature has order and obeys rules. Some argue there are no rules and it's an allusion, but I don't think so. Why would there be laws of nature? Who set this all up, is the question I want to ask.

The laws and "order" (which again, there really is none of in the universe) could be different from one universe to the next. Why do Christians always insist that we live in a singular universe?

You're asking questions that nobody has the answer to (yet). Not scientists and certainly not priests. But rather than accept a humble "I don't know" and wait (or even contribute to) for better information, you have blindly accepted religion and passed it off as wisdom. Don't confuse yourself, it's not. Religion is always intentional ignorance.

It's easier for me to grasp God existing forever than just the material universe existing forever.

Ken, the problem with your post and your viewpoint is that you have given up and chosen the 'easiest' route, and unfortunately the easiest route isn't always the best or truest. What you have said is kind of like saying we should all pray for a vaccine for aids instead of having scientists trying to find a cure. Praying is obviously easier than trying to grasp all of the scientific concepts required to even be able to begin finding a cure, but it will never produce a cure.

This was posted on The Daily Galaxy yesterday, you should read it. What Came 'Before' the Big Bang? Leading Physicist Presents a Radical Theory . It's not too hard to understand and makes more sense than 'god'.

I have a couple things to say on the subject of creation.

First.

Something creates something.

Nothing creates nothing.

Nothing does not create something.

All things in this universe are from something.

Therefore God is something.

God existed before something.

Therefore God is nothing.

Nothing does not create something.

Therefore God is a figment of your imagination.


Secondly,

The Earth was created by God.

Nothing is greater than God.

It is a greater feat for God to have created the Earth if he did not eixst than if he did exist.

The God that does not exist is greater than the God that does exist.

Therefore, God does not exist.

Two logical reasons for God's non-existence.

Give me one logical reason for God's existence.

Your eyes see things upside down and backwards.
Your frontal lobe is way too big and the hair on your body is virtually useless for protecting you.
You have nipples that serve no function and tonsils that are no good.
Your vision pales in comparison to birds and your senses fall gracefully before the scent detection skills of a single DOG.

It's no wonder you can't fathom the sphere.

You can't see the forest for the trees.

I used to like the statement that if there was ever a time nothing existed, then nothing would exist still. I might say that to make the point, but it's really an inaccurate statement because if there were ever a time when nothing existed, time wouldn't have existed either.

A time nothing existed. That's a contradiction. Time is something. There was never a time that nothing existed.

See Quantum fluxuation.

Just because you perceive something to be nothing does not make it so and by it's very definition, nothing can not be.

Once you contemplate nothing, it has a form. A function. You may not know what it is. You may even decide to give it a function to your liking, a purpose that serves you. That does not make you the creator. That makes you a manipulator.
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You are only as unique as you'd have to be,
to be unique from me.

If however I perchance to see, a mirror image of me,
no longer are you, uniquely true.

Indifferent to me, nothing short my fancy.

I am the puppeteer, marionette my dear.

Descartes was wrong.
I think therefore you are.