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    Default Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

    The Forum ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ on facebook is against moral values and mutual respect for all cultures. This forum contains graffiti including sexual images, defamatory slogans and images containing extreme gore depicting the Prophet of Islam. Despite over 20000 reports against this group as hate speech/racism, facebook has not removed this group during the past month.

    Link to group: Everybody Draw Mohammed Day! | Facebook

    it is also a breach of 3 different laws within the United States that restrict freedom of Speech w.r.t. rights of individuals regarding ethnicity, race and religion. Facebook qualifies for a lawsuit if it does not remove this group before the 20th of may 2010, by US law.

    Details of the legal practicalities can be seen here:
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    People from all religions and races should refrain from exercising free speech in defamatory hate statements, hate crimes and incitement to violence. Mutual respect for each others beliefs and sanctity of all religions should be kept intact on all social forums to ensure we bridge gaps between all men, instead of aggravating relations more. Genuine efforts towards removing such communities, be they against any religion, is our duty as responsible individuals. Ideas for better, responsible regulation of content over facebook and other social networks would be greatly appreciated.

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    Default Re: Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

    Why should your religion curtail my right to draw a picture of a bearded man and call him Mohammad? If you would like to discuss mutual respect, first please learn to accept that not everyone subscribes to your beliefs, thus not everyone is going to bend over backwards to accommodate you.

    Draw Mohammad day has not incited any violence, it is a peaceful protest against your religions attempt to oppress people. It is the muslim community that resorts to violence in response, such as the recent muslim attack on Lars Vilks. Obviously not all muslims are violent people, but instead of going ape shit over a stupid picture, why not instead bring attention to the muslim communities around the world that are oppressed and marginalized by the west/crazy leaders. Bring attention to how poorly educated some muslim countries are and how lack of education allows a country to become a breeding ground for intolerance and violence.
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    Default Re: Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza View Post
    People from all religions and races should refrain from exercising free speech in defamatory hate statements, hate crimes and incitement to violence. Mutual respect for each others beliefs and sanctity of all religions should be kept intact on all social forums to ensure we bridge gaps between all men, instead of aggravating relations more. Genuine efforts towards removing such communities, be they against any religion, is our duty as responsible individuals. Ideas for better, responsible regulation of content over facebook and other social networks would be greatly appreciated.
    Murtaza,

    Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but as long as you are going to equate satire or criticism with hate crimes you will get no respect from me. If you really want to bridge gaps and reduce aggravation then stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives. Nobody is advocating defacing your home or mosque. Nobody is demeaning your race or ethnicity. Nobody really gives a shit about your religion, either, as long as you keep it to yourself. They are merely exercising their freedom of expression in a completely harmless manner. If you don't like it, don't look.

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    Default Re: Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza View Post
    The Forum ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ on facebook is against moral values and mutual respect for all cultures.
    No it's not. I'm allowed to draw a picture of anything I want and call it anything I want. I don't care if it offends you. At all.

    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza View Post
    This forum contains graffiti including sexual images, defamatory slogans and images containing extreme gore depicting the Prophet of Islam.
    So? Nobody is forcing you to look at it. You choose to view it and then you choose to be offended by it. If your god is so powerful why not just wait for him to judge us? Because your god, your religion, and your prophet is a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza View Post
    Despite over 20000 reports against this group as hate speech/racism, facebook has not removed this group during the past month.
    Good. It's good to see companies standing up for what is right rather than buckling to the pressure of a few stone age nut-jobs that get angry over anything that might show how ridiculous their beliefs are.

    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza View Post
    it is also a breach of 3 different laws within the United States that restrict freedom of Speech w.r.t. rights of individuals regarding ethnicity, race and religion. Facebook qualifies for a lawsuit if it does not remove this group before the 20th of may 2010, by US law.
    I really doubt that. In the US the right to freedom of speech trumps ALL else. The internet is completely free domain however, and anyone can say anything they want here.

    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza View Post
    People from all religions and races should refrain from exercising free speech in defamatory hate statements, hate crimes and incitement to violence.
    Like when Muslims call for the bombing of the western world? The killing of infidels? Shut the fuck up you hypocrite.

    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza View Post
    Mutual respect for each others beliefs and sanctity of all religions should be kept intact on all social forums to ensure we bridge gaps between all men, instead of aggravating relations more.
    I respect no religion at all but the only one that I openly despise is Islam. Anything to aggravate the Islamic world and inch them one step closer to their own inevitable demise is preferable to me.
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    Default Re: Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

    There was another thread at this forum regarding the banning of face-covering veils in Belgium. In that forum the right to freedom of expression didn't get nearly the support that it seems to be getting here in this thread. Hypocritical attitudes are evident on both sides.

    It has already been established by the facts of recent historical events that Islam does not teach its members to value freedom of expression. No one is going to change their belief about such freedoms by devoting a day to drawing Mohammad. Following the crowd by drawing a character on a specific day is group think and conformist, and does not resemble any freedom worth having.

    However, I do not agree with Murtaza that the "sanctity of all religions should be kept intact on all social forums". Rejecting religion and trying to show the ridiculous nature of religious beliefs in the imaginary is far from disrespectful. To consider believers to have the intellectual capacity to understand arguments against their religious doctrine is indeed very respectful. If social forums did not respect the intelligence of those who may differ in their beliefs they would hardly waste their time presenting evidence contradictory to someone's belief system.

    It may be a "sin" for a Muslim to draw Mohammad, but it seems entirely inappropriate to force others to abide by Islamic beliefs. If I chose to draw Mohammad (for a better reason than simply utilizing my right to freedom of expression) it seems entirely inappropriate for any legal authority to bring charges against me, or to limit my freedom to publish such a drawing.

    No one is being physically harmed by drawings of Mohammad, regardless of how offensive Muslims might find those drawings. There are many fine examples of Islamic art in carpet and pottery. My advice is for Muslims to use their artistic abilities and right to freedom of expression (in America anyway) to present images that will illustrate the peace and beauty they keep telling us is part of that religion. If Mohammad is worthy of honor then help the rest of us to see why, it is not sufficient to just tell us we cannot draw pictures of him. That is just as stupid as thinking offending others will make them see the light of day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationella View Post
    There was another thread at this forum regarding the banning of face-covering veils in Belgium. In that forum the right to freedom of expression didn't get nearly the support that it seems to be getting here in this thread. Hypocritical attitudes are evident on both sides.
    The burqua and stick figures are very different, islamics threaten and do violence to people who
    draw figures of their 'precious'. It is based on an interpretation and as you have said they have a great history of art.
    There are contemporary paintings of Mo, so the interpretation must be wrong
    They are nuts and it is a question my freedom of rights, there is a creeping influence to protect those islamic rights.
    Blasphemey laws are laws based on fairy tales and have no reason for being. A way to fight them is through
    freedom of expression. So since it is only the extreme islamics believe it is bad to draw Old Mo,
    how is it offensive to the moderates? The way it is being done, really, stick figures, sorry they are so, so, stick figureish
    and inoffensive. It is laughable that it even offends anyone, it really stretches the term "offended".
    I am offended thoses savages blew up buddhist statues that predated their primitive set of religious values by a millenium.

    The burqua issue is barely about freedom of expression, that people want to wear a sack over their head willingly, I
    find very diffcult to believe. Again the burqua is an interpertation of islamic laws (puke).
    Culturally speaking women are forced to wear them in those friggin' antique societies.
    Why, because the islamic men are such savages that when a woman dares show too much, these pussy islamics
    rape those women, and then blame the woman. Wearing the sack isn't freedom of expression, it is done through
    fear. It is a weapon used by these savages to ensure their girls are anonymous slaves, quiet and invisible.
    MOdern societies does not need burquas, they are as much a symbol of repression as burning crosses, barbed wire,
    whips and handcuffs.
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    MOdern societies does not need burquas, they are as much a symbol of repression as burning crosses, barbed wire, whips and handcuffs.
    Ever watch any programs about the use of whips and handcuffs in sexual play? Some people find it liberating. Burning a cross is a symbol of repression to some, a symbol of freedom for someone else. Barbed wire is mighty helpful on farmland when you want to protect cattle. Not every Muslim woman is forced to wear a veil. They do wear them willingly for some religious concept I don't accept as valid, but I have no right to tell another woman what she must belief or how she must behave (as long as she's not abusing another person/child).

    Some views from Muslim women are as follows (quote from Teri Schultz at In Belgium, Burqa Ban On Its Way To Reality : NPR):
    Marjam Coltek, a medical student wearing a headscarf, is one of the few not shy about her opinions.

    Belgian by birth, Coltek says while she wouldn't wear a burqa, it should be her choice. No one is telling followers of the Dalai Lama what to wear in Belgium, she points out.
    ....
    Akhandaf, the Muslim feminist, has a different question. She doesn't argue with the idea that under those veils may be some women who are being oppressed by conservative Islamic traditions. But if the Belgian government truly wants to liberate them, she wonders, why pass a law that locks them up — in jail if they defy the coming burqa ban, or in their homes if they obey it?

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    Default Re: Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

    [QUOTE=Rationella;12747]Ever watch any programs about the use of whips and handcuffs in sexual play? Some people find it liberating. Burning a cross is a symbol of repression to some, a symbol of freedom for someone else. Barbed wire is mighty helpful on farmland when you want to protect cattle. Not every Muslim woman is forced to wear a veil. They do wear them willingly for some religious concept I don't accept as valid, but I have no right to tell another woman what she must belief or how she must behave (as long as she's not abusing another person/child).
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    Whoo hoo Rationella, okay so these were not stellar examples, never heard of a good burning cross, and I just picture the barbed wire they display at the holocaust displays in Germany, or the Amnesty International symbol.
    BTW, my handcuffs are fake leopard fur lined, and I like a good stiff horse crop.

    I still believe it is a symbol of islamic repression, mutilation, repressive coverings, a horrible death for the girl who shows an ankle and gets raped. Why, because it is an archaic savage culture and religion that has no place in the modern world. The burqua is one of its worst symbols of their repression. We have no right to dictate, but society
    does, and society does not generally like masked individuals. even the good masked guys in the comics are called anti-heros.
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    it should be her choice
    Why should it?

    Nobody is telling her what she can wear. The issue is what she can not wear and where.

    I want to walk around with my dick hanging out sometimes, but ya know what?-SOCIETY TAKES ISSUE.

    If security weren't an issue I'd understand, but it is and has always been. It has been demonstrated time and time again that people are more inclined to criiminal activity when they're free to do so anonymously.

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    We have no right to dictate, but society does
    Who is "society"? The reason we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the reason the UN has established a Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is to protect individual and minority rights against the tyranny of a majority of "society". To dictate what a woman may not wear is just a small step away from dictating what she may wear.

    I want to walk around with my dick hanging out sometimes, but ya know what?-SOCIETY TAKES ISSUE.

    If security weren't an issue I'd understand, but it is and has always been. It has been demonstrated time and time again that people are more inclined to criiminal activity when they're free to do so anonymously.
    Well, society takes issue with a lot of things that could just as easily be left to individual choice. I have no problem with you walking around with your dick hanging out and those prudish folk who have problems with it ought to spend more time in a farm yard or zoo watching other animals who are very comfortable with their natural nakedness.

    Fear mongering is part of the propaganda machine used to strip people of their liberty. People are more inclined to do criminal activity when they are brutalized and oppressed by their governments, when they feel there are no options left but to break the law. Our security is threatened when governments are permitted to walk all over our rights and liberty. Remember that the men who flew those planes into the twin towers were not wearing masks. They were dressed like anyone else. They had been living amongst Americans doing the same old ordinary stuff other Americans do. Telling a woman she must expose herself against her will does absolutely nothing to protect you. You're extremely naive if you think such bans will provide you with greater security.

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