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Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

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    I think allowing burquas is a case-by-case issue. If a school wants to ban burquas on the basis of security, they should have to prove that the school or community has had a history of violent incidents in which people concealed their identity. Or, if it's on the basis that it's distracting, then they should have to show that a class had suffered in grades when people in it wore burquas.

    I'm all for having rules for the common good. But they have to be practical and their practicality has to be backed by evidence.
    Well you could be right - it could be that there is a human right there to be respected. Possibly.....

    Yet if burkas are just allowed everywhere and anytime, who can say who would be inside them. Males could wear them easily (some reporters in Afghanistan have done so) to conceal themselves just as they could be used to bring 'unacceptable objects' into a place. how about a bank robbery with the guns hanging inside the burka? Covering the face allows almost anyone to be inside and they are more concealing than a motorcycle helmet.

    Sorry but I rather think it is the other way round - we have to find a way to make sure a burka could not be misused. Until then, the burka needs to be restricted.

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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    how about a bank robbery with the guns hanging inside the burka? Covering the face allows almost anyone to be inside and they are more concealing than a motorcycle helmet.
    In the bank circumstance, I definitely agree. In fact, any owner of a private establishment like a bank, mall or airport should have the right to disallow people on the basis of security. It is their property, after all. They paid for it.

    However, I don't agree when it comes to public property like schools, govt buildings, streets and public transit. I would defend the right to be anonymous in such cases as the anonymous Scientology protests, covering disabilities, covering facial burns (Dan Areily), or artistic expressions like Bagism. So, it would be hypocritical to deny those rights to people wearing Burquas.

    At the very least, public facilities should have to have reasons backed by tangible evidence before baning burquas. For example: a history of violent raids by people concealing weapons or identity. Or, an incident where someone actually did use a burqua while committing an offence.

    Another point to make about this is that security is a distraction from the root of the problem and is a band-aid solution. Some of the focus should be spent on changing society so that criminals are not created in the first place. There are very effective and supported ways of reducing crime, such as...

    -Better sex education & pregnancy options (Freakonomics, Paul Collier's research)
    +Reducing poverty by setting down better government polocies (Paul Collier's research)
    --Make sure policies don't cater to one type of industry, such as oil
    --Creating open standards in the market place, such as IT, Travel & goods shipping standards.
    --Rewards for coming back to your country & disadvantages for leaving
    -Decriminalizing drugs, but prohibiting their sales (Public information based on countries' adapting these laws)
    -Helping with psychosocial integration (Globalization of addiction by Keith Alexander)
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    I hate talking about this subject because I always think I'm being racist, but I'm really not. That's Britain's PC gone out the window for you.

    I think we should follow France and ban the Burka in public; and have severe punishment (inprisonment for men who force women to wear them and a 25,000 euro fine).
    I don't know how it is on the other side of the pond, but in Europe you see them everywhere. There have been crimes reported where men have dressed in Burka's in order to disguise themselves. If they can do it, what's stopping anyone else from doing it? Political correctness, that's what.
    I hate the way we have to tread around the egg shells of religion. What about the health & safety of humans, does that not mean anything anymore? Not to governments. As long as countries seem to accept all religions and their standards, no questions, they don't seem to care...
    What has this world come to?

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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
    I hate talking about this subject because I always think I'm being racist, but I'm really not.
    Hannibal
    See this is how I have thought of this , drunk and sexist as Rationella may think, I find this a very weird subject. (why do so many of my messages kill threads? Tell me STFU if thats the case.)
    Touchy and alien. like talking tampons with my daughter, sex and ICKCY stuff.

    I now think,
    the veil, burqua, etc, etc, is nothing more than mind control, even those whom strongly advocate this horrible medieval device. woman or not (especially woman) are being incorrectly and cruelly steered towards a backwards style of living. The VIel/Burqua is nothing more than a form of choke chain, similar to those used to train PIT BULL DOGS.

    I am sorry, the girls who advocate this (BONDAGE) are anomalies, ;;;;;;;;;OMG

    a black hood, strange veiled material. hot, hot, close,hot. restrictive, religion be FUCKED.
    Look at ME, pleASE..

    But tradition dictates, please sir, master, tradition ,
    I CANNOT BELIEVE, in Canada, that there are Really Girls who really thing, (given a REAL choice ) who would chose a VEIL? Not a single young girl (or even young person), would wish for this to happen to even their worst enemies.

    This nonsense of ALLOWING Wrong but traditional or Cultural ACTIVITIES which either contradict or DEFY common sense must STOP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    X/////////// Sorry but a 12th Century Hoodie has NO place, None at all in modern culture.
    YOU MAY THINK A BLACK COSTUME IS A STATEMENT, BUT IT IS ANONYMOUS.
    Wearing this ( I cannot describe the darkness and oppression) Anyone that would help stop this in Canada pleaae please please please
    " Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? "
    - Epicurus

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