Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

Or we could just stop letting people who don't conform to our norms in the country. Do we really need more radical Muslims that do nothing but bitch that we're not Islamic enough and and set up Sharia ghettos? Close the damn borders, we don't need any more immigrants.

Or we could just stop letting people who don't conform to our norms in the country. Do we really need more radical Muslims that do nothing but bitch that we're not Islamic enough and and set up Sharia ghettos? Close the damn borders, we don't need any more immigrants.

Kiefer, I don't think closing the borders is a good idea. The fact is that we do need (and benefit from) immigration. All countries do. Demanding conformity is also a difficult sell because you run into the problem of deciding whose standards will be the standard.

I think it would be better to simply have a policy that we don't allow religious beliefs to influence any government policy. All immigration, justice and civil rights issues should be settled based on reasonable accommodation of needs without reference to any religious claims or dogma. Everyone should be free to believe or behave as they wish as long it doesn't impinge on the rights or wellbeing of others.

A burqa may be a barrier to employment, but it can be removed. A woman who has no job skills, OTOH, has a much greater barrier to employment that can't be as easily fixed.

Can you clarify what you mean can be removed (the burqa or the barrier)?

That lecture you mention sounds very thought-provoking, Penquin. Is it possible to hear it online somewhere? Assimilation seems to be such a dirty word yet it seems obvious that some traditions and cultural behaviours are not only not beneficial but can be definitely disadvantageous. How do you convince a group of the advantages of discarding certain ideas without alienating them? Perhaps sometimes some compromise is required in order to gain trust. Maybe adult learning centers could allow burqa-wearing.

Personally, I find it a bit like being a tatoo or piercing junkie or goth. We always hear these people say they don't do it for attention but they can't deny that it makes them stick out like dog balls. I've heard islamic women say they feel conspicuous with their face and hair exposed in public but if they think their mobile tent makes them blend in then they're deluded; all it does is make them more conspicuous but anonymous.

Originally Posted by Blondin

Kiefer, I don't think closing the borders is a good idea. The fact is that we do need (and benefit from) immigration. All countries do. Demanding conformity is also a difficult sell because you run into the problem of deciding whose standards will be the standard.

I really don't think we need any more refugees or uneducated immigrants. Continue to let in the doctors, nurses, physicists, etc but they must be prepared to conform to the set of norms that are established here. After living in the US one of the greatest fears I have for Canada is that we see Southeast Asian and Muslim immigrants start doing what Mexican and Southern Americans have down there. That is setting up ghettos, running drugs, and refusing to assimilate to the established culture.

Now I'm all for people of any ethnicity entering Canada as long as it can be proven that they will be of benefit to society and that they are willing to adopt our culture and learn one of our languages. I'm entirely against letting in more poor, uneducated people that live in their own little bubbles and speak their own languages.

Originally Posted by Stephanie

If they want to cover themselves...what is so bad about switching to a hijab and creating a happy medium?

When they come to Canada it is their job to conform to our society, not our job to appease their backwards culture. If they don't like that their culture limits what they can do in Canada then they can leave Canada.

Correct me, if I am mistaken, but the Burqa has nothing to do with religion.

It is merely a desire to conform to a culture that belongs to a different era.

I see no problem with allowing people to wear what they want.

When it comes to security, the girl in the burqa could be required to undergo a search or screening of some sort (as with airports) when entering the school property. This would allow her to wear her garb without risking the security of students, staff, etc.

Some have commented that people don't change their minds, but they often do. I know I have certainly changed in my beliefs and attitudes over the years. Age does bring about significant change in attitudes. Encouraging people to expand their ideas does bring about change. Smokers quit smoking and often end up objecting more to smoking in public areas than lifetime non-smokers. Reformed alcoholics can be very judgmental of other drinkers. We sometimes don't realize how much we've changed until we look back and remember our lifestyles.

Dress codes are sometimes used in schools and they can run a wide range. I remember while attending high school that we were required to keep skirts at a certain level above the knee and blue jeans were forbidden attire. So expecting a girl to abide by a dress code at this school is nothing new. If she doesn't like the dress code, she can go to a different school. Or home-school, which is how I dealt with aspects of the school system I found objectionable when my daughter was young.

The comfort zone of this young woman needs to be expanded. She may feel that being covered offers her freedom from unwanted male attention, but she may be enticing more interest. Her bits and pieces are a mystery and this usually challenges the male ego to discover ways of uncovering the mystery. Exposing her, likely quite ordinary and perhaps even unattractive, body to the scrutiny of others will free her in ways she cannot even imagine now. As a breast-feeding mother, I learned that my body can be exposed without creating societal melt-down. It's quite liberating.

But the mind of a religious zealot is not easily swayed to rational thought unfortunately. Do we try to respect her fears and anxiety or push her toward liberty? I say push her to find out that her universe does not collapse when she ventures beyond her narrow religious ideals.

If you removed the nipples from women, their breasts would not be objects of sexuality. The psychological association of nipples to sex has created a very unusual situation in society. I wish I could find the psych article on it I read earlier this year, but essentially it's been demonstrated that to a great degree, removing the nipples from breasts in imagery decreased the sexual arrousal of heterosexual males with respect to breasts as objects of sexuality.

In Ontario here, women are free to go topless in the streets the same way men are. It's too bad that so many Canadians are sexual monsters. Maybe more women would be inclined to follow through on the legislation with action.

As liberated as this country is, many of our laws are behind the times and our people, behind the laws.
I hope for a day that the lynch mob no longer survives reason and accountability.

Everyone's a monster in hiding.

...it's been demonstrated that to a great degree, removing the nipples from breasts in imagery decreased the sexual arrousal of heterosexual males with respect to breasts as objects of sexuality.

And this came as a surprise to somebody?