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Proving God by Consensus: My Problem with the Religious Right

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    Default Proving God by Consensus: My Problem with the Religious Right

    A few decades ago I was awakened at seven o’clock one Sunday morning by the persistent droning of my downstairs door buzzer. I was living then in a back apartment on the top floor of an East Village walk-up that was without an intercom or the capacity to buzz visitors inside. This circumstance made it necessary for me to descend five flights of stairs to personally open the frosted-glass front door and to see who it was.

    In this instance it was two Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    At the time I bore no animus toward people who presented themselves as fervently religious. Though I deemed them delusional, I respected both their right to their delusion and their need of it. The proselytizers I encountered were more likely to draw pity from me than to provoke my ire.

    So if I had good reason to be put out by the inconvenience they’d caused me, an inconvenience compounded by the ungodly hour they’d picked to pay a call, my reaction to the elderly and finely attired black couple with soft Georgia accents who greeted me—he with a bible in one hand and a straw hat in the other; she wearing a hat bedecked with white and yellow flowers—wasn’t in the least bit hostile. In fact, while I made it clear that I had no use for the message they were delivering, I was as courteous as I could be. I didn’t want to tamper with their fantasy or hurt their feelings and when I closed the door on them it was very gently.

    But that was a while back, before religion assumed the weight and influence that it has in our cultural and political affairs and before I understood just where the so-called “True Believers” are coming from.

    We tend to allow that, unhinged as we may judge them to be, evangelicals, in their efforts to make converts or to bring “more religion” into the culture, are doing the work of a God they feel with genuine confidence to be real. Some of us might even imagine that they care about our salvation. But this isn’t what’s happening. Dealing with their fear of death, a fear exacerbated by 9/11 and the destruction of the myth of American invincibility, and wanting desperately for a God and the potential for eternal life implicit in the concept of God to exist, the real mission of these people isn’t to share a revelation but to validate beliefs they’re not sure of by securing the agreement of others. To prove the existence of God to themselves by achieving a universal consensus on the matter (the only way to achieve something like certainty about anything) is the true aspiration of the religious right.

    And I mightily resent the manifold ways in which their ambition to, for starters, make a theocracy of America—a more than adequate means of certifying their beliefs—is already poisoning the lives of the rest of us.

    I’m speaking, of course, of their interference with a woman’s freedom to end a pregnancy and of homosexuals ability to marry one another. I’m also talking about the brakes they managed to apply to government sponsored stem-cell research and the role they played in obliging us to endure a George W. Bush for a second term (let alone what his presidency has left in its wake) because he professed to share their faith in Jesus Christ. And I’m referring as well to what turned out to be a politically pivotal quantity of Tea Party candidates that they were instrumental in electing to Congress.

    And, again, none of this has been, at bottom, to the purpose of spreading a vision(which could maybe have claimed some level of legitimacy), but rather to, in their own minds, ratify by numbers, law or custom, the presence of a deity.

    Since there remains a sufficient population of heathens to challenge their beliefs and to keep their uncertainty alive, reaching their unspoken goal will only become more urgent for the evangelicals. They will get louder and more insistent. And their successes will be more pernicious. Is a President Rick Perry completely out of the question?

    I should say that having a few issues of my own with the prospect of death, and quite capable myself of distorting reality in order to live in the world with a semblance of equilibrium, I can, even under the present conditions, experience some empathy for the Christian right’s agenda. (And I can also appreciate the necessity and durability of religion itself. I’m always taken aback when people whose minds I admire predict that human beings will one day “outgrow” the need for religion, as if it were merely a stage in our evolution. Like the biologists who are looking for a religion gene, they miss the point. For as long as death is a precondition of life, a need for some kind of invented deity, with a plan for mankind—and a collection of rules and practices which, if scrupulously followed, offer the promise of an afterlife—is going to prevail for a large percentage of humanity.)

    But while I’m not insensitive to the evangelicals’ cause that doesn’t make its increasing encroachment on the lives of the secular any more acceptable to me. I repeat: Is a President Rick Perry out of the question? No. If there was once a time when we could indulge the folks of the Christian right at no substantial cost to ourselves, that’s not the case any longer. Their quest to conscript us into their immortality project has gotten too much out of hand and leaves no room for such generosity. At this point there’s little choice but to do battle with them; to fight and resist their actions at every turn. The consequences for those of us who live for this life rather than the next one have become too dire to let them slide.
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    Default Re: Proving God by Consensus: My Problem with the Religious Right

    I see your message as a misinformed political one. First of all the problem is that the Jehovah's Witnesses are apolitical, meaning that they don't vote, they don't meddle in the politics of whatever nation they happen to live in. They make no attempts whatsoever to engage themselves in issues such as homosexual marriage, abortion, stem cell research. The closest they come to having any political voice whatsoever is in the courts. They have an impressive team of lawyers who defend their ability to proselytize. So you should pick your enemies wisely. The more Jehovah's Witnesses there are the less likely the abhorrent Christian right have the political power they currently have.

    This has always been a fascinating issue for me, though, being like the Jehovah's Witnesses apolitical myself and yet at the same time having a profound hatred for organized religion there are, however, two points in the subject that I find troubling. While I can understand the social and political frustration the socially and politically frustrated atheists have with the right wing Christian forces I can't help but notice that either they have the numbers and organizational abilities to take advantage of the political scene in The United States and so have just beat the atheists at their own game and that is the way it goes.

    This brings me to my second point, a more troubling one to me. The fact is that if you look at recorded history the real potentially harmful endeavor of human society isn't religion it is politics. In fact without politics religion wouldn't have had the force or authority to have caused so much mindless destruction. It tells me that should atheism achieve its unspoken desired effect, to replace the religious influence upon humanity it will do so through political means, which is no better - in fact quite possibly much worse than the former.

    The fact is, however, as foretold in the Bible, the political forces will turn on and destroy religion. While the atheist forces may rejoice at this prospect, in the past a minority though primarily that through an appalling lack of organizational skills, upon the destruction of religion will become obsolete.

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