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Originally Posted by Fizanali

@Everyone



@Louis @Chris
You didn't respond to what I said about identical twins not being homosexual ?
Plus you can't make examples out of animals because you can't even make examples out of humans for humans can you give the example of an insane person ? he's a mammal and also a human.
Plus whereas an eagle can fly or an elephat crush a tree or a cheetah run at 100 km/h we can't do these things and animals can't multiply 568 with 432 but we can, so they don't serve as credible examples in any situation because humans and animals (mammals included) are very different. Most importantly whereas there are laws binding human beings not to steal not to kill etc no such laws bind animals to stop them from stealing or killing.

And I don't believe everything needs to be aimed at survival of fittest so I won't make it an argument.

I think the problem here is that you haven't accepted evolution as being a 'proven' theory. Are you creationist? It seems like you can't comprehend similarities between species.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

@Louis

All SIDs can be analy transmitted along with other enteric only bacteria loke E.coli, salmonella, shingella etc.
Pnuemothorax can occur independant of sexaul activity, so can can vaginal itching which is probably already a complication in the woman which can be exaberated by sex, tearing of pepuce of penis can even occur in anal sex (plus Muslims cut it off) in addition permanent dilation of anal spinchter with difficulty controlling defecation plus increased chance of hemorrhoids can occur with anal sex. Feaces is usually under normal conditions very soft so can be compressed to desireable size so person so doesn't normally harm the anus, whereas a penis can be elastic but it can not be much compressed when in full erection and it's diameter is normally much bigger than feacal matter.
Anyways I'm not making this disease problem the major argument.

Anal sex does not cause permanent dilation of the sphincter. Unless you can prove that it can by citing a credible medical journal, don't bother refuting it. The only time I can see it ever doing this is if someone is repeatedly being raped anally or having foreign objects shoved up the anus prematurely, and obviously that doesn't count.

I hate to get into the mechanics of it but from what I've been told, anal sex requires foreplay just like vaginal sex. Warm up is required so that the sphincter will loosen and relax. If you just shove things in there, no doubt you might tear something but even then I doubt it would cause permanent sphincter dilation.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

I would love to see your replies on these last questions.

But I've already made up my mind that when you people can be ok with necrophillia, incest and small girls having sex with dogs (if the age limit is erased after protests) then I simply cannot be Ok with it as can't majority of the human population (at the moment at least) even if majority got to your side I still won't be Ok with it then probably you would think of me as an insane person.

Though I loath oppression but I think I can never be fan of your ideas of freedom too.

Please don't make huge and grotesque assumptions and generalizations about atheists, it only makes you look like an ignorant fool. It's very derogatory and insulting that you are blinded and deluded enough to think all the people of any one group are the same. I don't assume that all Muslims are retarded, despite the fact that they believe in fairy tales about Allah, so you shouldn't assume all atheists are sexual deviants. In fact, there are more sexual deviants within religion then there are atheist sexual deviants (significant differences in numbers too).

In response to your unthinking generalizations, my guess would be that the majority of forum users here would disagree with necrophilia solely based on personal hygiene and the psychological damage it incurs. Incest and inbreeding increases the chance of birth defects due to recessive genes. Young girls having sex with dogs? Wow, you must have let your imagination run wild when you created this list.

As with any group, there is always the debate about whether people should be fundamentally free to do as they wish (and as a response, many invoke the arguments you make), or should they be protected from themselves and doing such things (a more paternalistic approach). The majority believe in a happy medium between some freedoms and some restrictions to protect more important freedoms.

@Chris @Blondin

I'm sorry to have made that generalization I should have thought better but it was difficult to see that some of you might actually be on my side of the discussion.

@Chris
But still I want to point out that what if a dead body was sterlized if it didn't affect personal hygeine ? What if the genetic deffects could be easily cured in the near future, would you think incest ok then ?
And yes I did let my imagination run wild with the girl and dog scenario but that was to show that at some point there needs to be a restriction placed and that freedom can not be given to every thing ? Would you agree ?

About evolution: you were the one to previously say that everything doesn't need to be aimed at survival of the fittest so when I said it was it something different ?
I personally place evolution in the grey area I don't accept it as a fact. Why ? Because whereas gravity is a Law of science and can be readily seen by anyone, evolution does not have such credit.
Don't think that I know nothing about evolution because I do and a lot too, I've done A level biology and got 95 % A grade from Cambridge University, now I'm doing medical sciences and evolution often comes here and there, so I try to learn a lot about evolution.
No one can show something in reality evolving, I don't think mutations in bacteria or other uni-cellular organisms counts as evolution because here your just generalizing that since this can happen so can evolution, whereas evolution is very different and much more complex.
I don't completely deny it either because so many credible scientists believe in it (though they can't totally prove it) but then so many other scientists don't believe in it, like I saw an Autobiography of Darwin on 'Fox history and entertainment' where so many scientists said that evolution is not credible that it was loosing favour among scientists.
I have lots of questions about evolution like how did the first insect ever start to fly ? Why did it grow wings when there was no use for them for thousands of generations, wouldn't it make him unfit that he had a mass of little use at his sides ? Ok then how did he come to know that if he flaps his wings at a certain pace he could lift his own weight in the air ? When he would have experimented he would have failed because he didn't have the knowledge or the muscles to fly then why generations after generations were involved in this useless task ? So does there come a time when the parent insect cannot fly whereas his offspring can ?

You said that Muslims believe in 'fairy tales about Allah' , there are almost 1.2 billion Muslims alvive today, all over the world in every field of life. Plus if you include christianity, Hiduism, Jewism and the other religions that believe in God it would make around 85 % + the world population. So do you think all the world believes in fairy tales including the best of minds ? Not to mention All the people who ever lived ! around 100 billion people ! do you think all of them were decieved ?
Then lets take the 'statue of liberty' as an example now billions of people know it's there. Can you say that everyone is decieved that it's actually not there ? Even if you touch it with your own hands you could come up with an explanation that it's still not there, like you could say that everyone who has seen it (probably not more than 2 billion people, less than the people who believe in God) is actually seeing a very realistic illusion, or that all those people are lying, or they have a mental defect in their visual and tactile fields, plus all the other world who sees it on television are actually seeing some fake computer graphics. You can come up with explanations for almost anything ! But don't fool yourselves into thinking that most of the world is either mentally retarded, liars or decieved, illusioned !
It's not fairy tales, if you think it is then please prove it.

So questions which baffeled even the top human minds like Einstein and steven hawking, so that they remained unclear to what actually is the truth you simply reject those concepts and call them fairy tales without a second thought ?

I think I shold start a new thread on this topic now.

I've started a new topic 'Fairy tales about God ? some questions for atheists' here: http://atheistdiscussion.com/showthr...s-for-Atheists

Salam Fizaali.

Im muslim too. I live in UK.

good to see you here on the forum.

i have just joined also.

Nice to see you too brother.