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Thnx for the question.

Originally Posted by Supaman89

Do you seriously believe you'll get 72 virgins after you die?

I don't believe so Becoz even if it were the more commonly said figures are 70 or 70000.
But I don't strongly believe these are beautiful virgins becoz the word used in Arabic is 'Hoor' which can have lots of meanings and I believe it has not got a femine association or sexual association because both men and WOMAN in heaven will have 'hoors'.

Apart from that I don't believe in Heaven we will be in the same state as we are now in this world, we won't have these same instincts, desires, goals and attractions. I think we would be the same person but in a totally new form, in a new state of mind. But the basic point is that there we would be more happy, more satisfied and more at peace than we are here.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

Thnx for the question.
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Apart from that I don't believe in Heaven we will be in the same state as we are now in this world, we won't have these same instincts, desires, goals and attractions. I think we would be the same person but in a totally new form, in a new state of mind. But the basic point is that there we would be more happy, more satisfied and more at peace than we are here.

So you do believe in an afterlife? What leads you to that conclusion? Do you have any non-doctrinal evidence to believe it is possible for your self/ego/personality to survive physical death?

Welcome to the forum!

A few questions of my own:

Do you feel that Islam can coexist peacefully with the other religions (and lack thereof) in the world?

What are your thoughts on the treatment of women in Islamic countries? More specifically, things like the Hijab, Naqib, and Burka?

Do you feel that Shariah law (moderate or extreme) is better than a secular foundation for countries?

What is your view of the war in Afghanistan, and it's often spilling over into Pakistan? What about the protests in Iran?

Do you agree with the theory of evolution? If not, why?

@Blondin

Yes I do believe in after life because I believe in Allah, Islam and
Quran. The reason for my belief is not just blind belief but observations, calculations and logic, science and reason.

@Keifer
I like that you asked the questions straight forward and without mockery because most discussions I get in with Atheists end up badly.
So I would like to look at my answers as a unrelated nuetral observer and then judge if they are with reason or not;

Qo you feel that Islam can coexist peacefully with the other religions (and lack thereof) in the world?

Ans: Yes I do, because the word Islam itself means Peace, no where in Islamic teachings there is the concept of terrorisms. Islam believes in preaching to others in the 'most beautiful of ways' as the Quran puts it, no one can force Islam on others and contrary to the common misconceptions Islam has never been spread by sword, see history. Any battles by Muslims were not to convert others but either self defenseor to bring justice.
Do you know any Muslim army going to the subcontinent to convert people to Islam?
Here there are almost 600 million muslims (max in world) but here Islam was spread by Sufis who basically used music and poems to attract followers.
Do you know of any army going to Indonesia (the largest Muslim country) or to Malaysia etc.

What you see is about Islam terrorists they are like bad guys from any other religion (every religion has them) please my blog post 'top ten killers of innocent people' there I present hard facts : http://www.iswhy.info/2009/10/top-10...eople-see.html

Q:What are your thoughts on the treatment of women in Islamiccountries? More specifically, things like the Hijab, Naqib, and Burka?

Ans: Basically your talking about Hijab. Well first of in the Quran where it is said about Hijab it first specifies Hijab for Men and then Women, so it's for bothe genders. The criteria for Hijab are as follows:
1. Lower the gaze and don't stare at the opposite sex
2. Wear modes clothes not to glamours as to attract the opposite sex
3. Don't wear clothes that symbolize other faiths
4.Don't wear to revealing or transparent clothesupto here same for both men and women
5. a)For women they should cover all her body upto wrist and ankles andshe is to cover her head but can reveal her face
b) For men they should cover the body atleast from the navel to the knees

Now I don't see much oppression here thhe difference in extent of covering arises because of the difference in men and women, if it is oppression then both men and women are equally oppresed.

One logic I see behind the stress on modesty and covering is by lookingat the westren world, once my freind went to the USA and there on the beach when he saw naked women he was stunned, he said he could take his eyes off, then he would regularly go to the beach to stare at these naked women but then he says slowly he got used to it and they didn't look as much attractive any more. It's a normal phenomenon when you regularly see a beautiful thing it starts to loose it's charm.
So I think this used-to-ness of naked women makes men sexually more thirsty and hence they start experimenting with more unnatural ways to fullfill
their thirst.

Qo you feel that Shariah law (moderate or extreme) is better than a secular foundation for countries?
Ans: Yes I believe that the true shariah law is better than any other. You can see something like an example in the above text.

Q:What is your view of the war in Afghanistan, and it's often spilling
over into Pakistan? What about the protests in Iran?
Ans: Please see my blog post on top ten killers of innocent people so that you get an idea of what I think and what facts speak of: http://www.iswhy.info/2009/10/top-10...eople-see.html

Qo you agree with the theory of evolution? If not, why?
Ans: Of evolution I'm suspicious as are many of the scientists since even after more than 150 years of experiment and rapid increase in knowledge and technology evolution can not be proved true and hence still remains a controversial theory which is lossing favor as 'fox history and entertainment' put it when they were showing a biography on darwin.
But more importantly regardless of evolution I don't believe in Abiogenesis HYPOTHESIS and I can logically prove beyond doubt that Abiogenesis cannot take place that randomness can't result in formation of highly specific and complex molecules. No it has nothing to do with the second law of thermodynamics which states that a system can undergo a decrease in entropy, so what this doesn't prove or dis-prove anything and is unrelated. See my blog post which a published today on this topic: http://www.iswhy.info/2010/01/how-di...enesis-or.html

Hopes the answers were easy to understand and comprehend. Feel free to ask more or let me put some for you.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

@Blondin

Yes I do believe in after life because I believe in Allah, Islam and
Quran. The reason for my belief is not just blind belief but observations, calculations and logic, science and reason.

Please elaborate. (But you should really start a new thread in one of the other sections).

Hey, thanks for the quick response. I'll respond to a few of your answers then post some more questions for you. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have, either here or in a private message.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

Now I don't see much oppression here thhe difference in extent of covering arises because of the difference in men and women, if it is oppression then both men and women are equally oppresed.

So oppression is acceptable so long as everybody is equally oppressed? I can, to a point, understand a Muslim woman making her own choice to wear the garments, but would you have all women wear them? For instance, should my sisters (Agnostics) wear them? In my eyes this is taking away the right of the individual, which is firmly against most developed nations laws.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

One logic I see behind the stress on modesty and covering is by lookingat the westren world, once my freind went to the USA and there on the beach when he saw naked women he was stunned, he said he could take his eyes off, then he would regularly go to the beach to stare at these naked women but then he says slowly he got used to it and they didn't look as much attractive any more. It's a normal phenomenon when you regularly see a beautiful thing it starts to loose it's charm.

I can understand what you're saying, too much of a good thing leads to it being lackluster. But if your friend (or anyone else) really wanted to see naked women there are far easier ways to do it than on a beach. Furthermore, nobody is forcing him to go to the beach, he chose to. So why should those women have to cover themselves just because there may be somebody nearby who can't control his baser instincts? That's a fault of the viewer, not the people on the beach.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

So I think this used-to-ness of naked women makes men sexually more thirsty and hence they start experimenting with more unnatural ways to fullfill
their thirst.

Would you not agree that anything done in private by any amount of consenting adults is perfectly fine?

Originally Posted by Fizanali

Yes I believe that the true shariah law is better than any other. You can see something like an example in the above text.

I would have to disagree with you here. Historically society's built upon religious doctrines have had fewer rights for the individual than those built upon a secular constitution.

EDIT: Here's a video on the topic of religious countries versus atheist countries in terms of peace which you may find interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

Originally Posted by Fizanali

Please see my blog post on top ten killers of innocent people so that you get an idea of what I think and what facts speak of: http://www.iswhy.info/2009/10/top-10...eople-see.html

I'm afraid your blog answered neither of my questions. I'm interested in if you feel that the US led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 was justified, if it still is justified, and if the spilling over into Pakistan is justified. I'm also interested in which side you support in the Iranian protests.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

Of evolution I'm suspicious as are many of the scientists since even after more than 150 years of experiment and rapid increase in knowledge and technology evolution can not be proved true and hence still remains a controversial theory which is lossing favor as 'fox history and entertainment' put it when they were showing a biography on darwin.

I'm afraid you're wrong here. Evolution can be proven and has been through numerous tests and peer-reviewed papers. Furthermore, it is in no way losing popularity but even if it were, this does not prove or disprove it. Just because a majority of people think something does not make it true.

Originally Posted by Fizanali

But more importantly regardless of evolution I don't believe in Abiogenesis HYPOTHESIS and I can logically prove beyond doubt that Abiogenesis cannot take place that randomness can't result in formation of highly specific and complex molecules.

Abiogenesis has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Evolution only comes into play after life already exists.

In regards to my previous two sentences I'd like you to take a look at the following video. Hopefully it will clear up some of your misconceptions regarding evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFJviGQth4

Now some more questions for you:

What are your views on homosexuality? Gay marriage? The rights of homosexuals?

How do you feel about President Obama? Has "Obamamania" swept Pakistan as it did here?

What do you know about Canada and by extension how do you feel about Canada's actions in the Middle East?

How do you feel about the current state of political commentary in Pakistan?

How do you feel about the ever widening gap between the government and the military in Pakistan?

@Kiefer

Within these few days I've had lots of discussions with Atheists (esp on facebook) and now I've read your responses to my answers.
What I see is a different in opinion like:

You think that it's the fault of the person who views's these naked women but I strongly think that it's the fault of both people because the women by becomming naked is inviting men to see her making it very difficult to resist.

Like your question whether all women should wear them that isn't it their ight to choose, but I see it as all women and men should do Hijab as our shariah says but if someone chooses not to you cannot force him to do so.

You said that Atheist nations are more peaceful (I'm sorry I couldn't see the video very slow connection) I agree with you but it doesn't proove anything to me, I said following the true shariah would make it better but that doesn't happen in any country like about Hijab I even sometimes don't do it, my sisters my mother most of my relatives don't do it, muslims become terrorists against what the shariah says and lots of other things on which you could probably write a book, apart from prayers and fasting nothing much is followed. Islam puts tremendous stress on seeking knowledge but we don't do research you guys do !

About Evolution, I'd rather not go into debate on this topic since I still don't know where I stand on this matter about Abiogenesis I believe it's not true, I've gone through an atheist site (www.talkorigins.com) on this topic where they try to clear misconceptions of creationists BUT I frankly could not find any hard evidence against my claims plus there are lots of countre sites set up that are run by creationists, the debate seems to go on forever.
My view is that Abiogenesis is a hypothesis with some very fatal flaws.

All in all I think there's a difference in perception that there's may be two sides to the picture.

Next post will deal your latest questions