Fairy tales about God ? Some questions for Atheists

Of course there are going to be some errors, even the universe isn't perfect. Starting all over again, it can be better or worse depending on how the kinks are worked out. I agree, the universe looks beautiful but in the condition it is now, it's not very accessible. The grand canyon looks beautiful too but try navigating around it on foot, your going to hate it.

This is something I don't understand about the people that believe in a grand designer, this designer supposedly exists in the place I am talking about, eternity, no end and no beginning. How in the heck do they think that is possible? That is more mind boggling than anything, only one big thing? How have they gotten away with this for so long without any explanation? If they are supposedly included in this, then they have already been there considering that eternity has existed before their life or does eternity only start for them when they die? This is exactly what I am talking about when I say the universe isn't perfect because of some kinks, scaled down to earthly matters.

It's a never ending process, it doesn't have to be perfect. What makes people think that it is perfect the way it is now? Because we have pedophiles and deadly diseases? Earth is a part of the universe too, our problems are the universes problems as well. Even if it did reach total perfection (which is unimaginable in itself, might as well believe in heaven and god), that means it's also going to have total imperfection as well, funny how that's more easily imaginable.

I am responding only to your very first post here as I have not yet found the time to read the entire thread, but I do hear your question from time to time. You sound like a Jehovah's Witness, actually. I understand your question and the answer is really quite simply. Everything you wonder about, everything that is causing you to not understand is all based on the idea that how things are is how they had to be. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, things could have happened in countless other ways. But there is no reason "why" humans "had to" evolve to understand it. Just because something happened doesn't mean that it "had to" happen. In America there is currently a 10 year old girl in the news. She had bone cancer. It caused her to need one prosthetic leg and two hearing aids. If that wasn't enough, her step mother beat her regularly and locked her in her room for all but 5 minutes a day. And as if she didn't have a great enough time with life already, now she's missing and presumed murdered. By your train of thought I would find myself compelled to wonder why that HAD to happen to her; what forces steered her life to a total hell that eventually led to her probable murder? If we HAD TO evolve the way we did, if things HAD TO develop the way they did then it only stands to reason that this girl HAD TO suffer the way she did.

Yes, it could have all happened in infinite other ways. What if it had? What if something were to have developed differently and instead of 2 arms you had 4? What if that was the ONLY difference? You would STILL be asking this question. It happened in this way simply because it didn't happen in countless other ways. There is no mystery to it and no guiding hand is required. If you roll a pair of dice the result you get isn't the result you HAD TO get, it's just the result you got. Yes, it could have happened in 35 other ways (ignoring any possible abhorrent results), but the fact that it didn't doesn't mean anything.

This argument is classic Jehovah's Witness, though they are much better at it than you, probably because they are well aware that they are doing it. It has two requirements. In the setup you invoke a sense of wonder, which you chose to do by explaining how many things had to come together for things to happen exactly as they did. That is truly mind boggling, indeed. The catch is that you ask a question for which the answer has been steered by the invoking of the sense of wonder. A Witness will usually say something along the lines of "How could that have happened by accident?" The obvious answer they want to hear from you is "it couldn't". In this way they get to, not TELL YOU how it happened, but have YOU TELL THEM how it happened. At all times they are in complete control of the answers, though. Your use of this argument style does not suggest purposeful manipulation, but rather genuine confusion on the matter.

What it breaks down to is that just because it COULD HAVE happened in an infinite number of ways doesn't mean that it HAD TO happen in this way. It just did. It had to happen in some way. What makes this way any more mysterious than any other? Yes, it was a one in infinity chance. But EVERY possibility is a one in infinity chance. It doesn't matter which way it happened, there would always be one way things happened and infinite ways things didn't happen. And your assumption that this is the only possible way things could have happened in which you would even be asking these questions is blatantly wrong. If you had worn a different shirt today then it would have happened in a different way and you would still be asking these questions. There's really nothing more mysterious than that about it.

well mr.supaman i have read ur post n feeling very strange how can u say tht there is no GOd etc....my dear GOd is everywhere he is around u ,,,,do u knw this universe is made for some purpose but u cant get to knw tht whts tht purpose cos as u dont belief ths things but my dear as u beleif tht one day everyone vil die same like this there is God n tht GOd is Allah only Allah but no one is getting it understand once they ll get die thn thay wil cry allot tht wht v did nothing,,,,do u think tht y u have born,,,wht the purpose to bring u in this world ,,,y not anyone else thn u ,,,jst try to think about ths thn u ll let knw everything very easily got it,,,,thnx,,,,,n if u feel anything bad while reading my post i apologize for tht,,,,
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I saw a similar question to this a few weeks ago. The problem lies in your assumption that humans HAD to develop to understand everything or that things HAD to develop this way. What are the chances things developed exactly as they did? Astronomical. What would be the chances that we had developed with green skin and 3 foot long noses instead? Even more astronomical. Why more so? Because the development of life is dependent on circumstance and no circumstance necessitated green skin and 3 foot long noses.

The questions you are asking require a certain way of thinking to wonder about. You have to, at least subconsciously, believe that life was somehow intended to come out this way. We are not the finished product. There is no finished product. Nothing in the universe determined beforehand that this is how it must be. This way of thinking is akin to reading bones. You throw down the bones and look at them and think to yourself, "What are the chances that they landed just this way? This MUST mean something!" But you can say that EVERY TIME, no matter how they land. The same is true for evolution. If we looked differently, if we were plant based or had beaks, you would STILL be asking this question. The problem with your question lies in the assumption that this is how things were intended. That is called "circular logic". You assume there was a creator that made us. Because of that you assume things had to be exactly the way they are. Assuming things had to turn out this way, you marvel at the odds of it happening "by accident" exactly as it did. Get rid of your first assumption and all your questions go away.