This is a discussion on Irrefutable Proof of Evolution within the Evolution forums, part of the Science category; Originally Posted by IanD Also just for the fun of it: http://www.theistic-evolution.com/hominids2_big.jpg Just in case you care to see our ...




Here is some irrefutable proof against evolution.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolu...0Hoax/4000.htm
Explain this away. If you can then I have learned something. If you can't then you have learned something.
It is hard to bear the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing someones beard.


It all depends on what you consider recorded history.
13,000 year old tools, made by man is a pretty clear record, 30,000 year old cave art, is a very good record of history, 100,000 year old skeletons seem like fairly good records as well. But I realize that by recorded history you are wondering why there is no record in the bible. The bible is crap thats why.
The retarded fool babbling about world powers, what the heck is he confused about. Considering the book this fools refers to is his first mistake, the bible contains some regional/ mediterrainian fables about some hostile pissy gods located in a pathetically small sampling of the world. Egypt was never a world power and as yet there has been nothing other than regional powers, the last few hundred years developed super powers, but a world power, not yet.
There is nothing in the bible that is a fact, it is a book of fables, and it needs to go away.
"Oh sure, some stubborn evolutionists are going to start talking about carbon-dating, archeological findings, etc. BUT, the bottom line is that the history of mankind should be traceable far beyond 4,000 B.C., going back million of years IF evolution were true."
So science can't be used to argue this, although it is traceable, this moron says just place your fingers in your ears and shout LALALALALALA, will make your un-provable fables true.
"Civilization has advanced from utter primitiveness to incredible mind-boggling achievements in just a little over 100 years. " What planet did this idiot come from, does he actually think there were cave men just 100 years ago, this shows a startling lack of intelligence, he actually made me throw up a little when I read this. No wonder I equate religion with a lack of smarts, this just reinforces my view.
" Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? "
- Epicurus


This link you gave us is more of the same: wild claims using uneducated intuition with nothing to back it up. Some of the claims are absolutely false.
The article claims that since people didn't write history from the start of man, then there was no history. This is a bad argument at best. There are tonnes of unknowns that could be responsible for this.
First is the evolution of language. Language doesn't just spawn from nothing. By starting with nothing, it could take hundreds of generations to just get to a small vocabulary of spoken language, AND THEN hundreds more to develop into more complex stages that can describe the world accurately, AND THEN hundreds of years to develop a written language that reflects the verbal one. We take it for granted, but it's hard to say how long it would take for people who lived in pre-tribal societies to develop a written language from scratch. You can't just assume that language was always synonymous with early humans.
Second thing that could very well account for this is the sustainability of knowledge in a small society. Pre-historic humans did not have big societies that could sustain people who were dedicated to be thinkers. Any sort of intellectual endeavors are always cast aside as soon as supply is low.
This has actually been proven in the case of the Tanzanians who were cut off from the rest of the world and suffered an incredible degradation of technology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmanian_Aborigines
Um... limestones?Such Biblical claims seem absurd to modern evolutionists, who have convinced themselves that the earth is billions of years old. Ironically, they have absolutely NO EVIDENCE of such longevity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limestone
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/limehash.htm
Corral reefs?
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...4168685344S522
Radio-carbon dating, which has been proven by DENDROCHRONOLOGY?
BECKER AND GERMAN DENDROCHRONOLOGY
http://www.cast.uark.edu/student_pub...rochronolo.htm
Becker, B. (1993)
"An 11,000-year German oak and pine dendrochronology for radiocarbon calibration," Radiocarbon 35, 201-213.
Stuiver Minze, Kromer Bernd, Becker Bernd, Ferguson CW (1986). "Radiocarbon Age Calibration back to 13,300 Years BP and the 14C Age Matching of the German Oak and US Bristlecone Pine Chronologies". Radiocarbon 28 (2): 969979.
I love how this author takes a complete scientific paper, and then just interjects a completely non-scientific conclusion based on it. The reason why languages are dying out can be attributed to many things.The fact that mankind's languages are vanishing from civilization at any alarming rate is proof that evolution is a lie.
But the main thing is globalization. Since the world is getting smaller, there is more need to have a consistent standard of communication. In ancient times, this wasn't so much the case. Small communities didn't need to read information on products from other places and didn't care what the rest of the world was doing. It's only natural for language to evolve on it's own branch when communities were so remote. This entirely explains why there were so many languages.
Even you should see the folly in this. This whole article is just a bunch of non-sequitors strung together. The authors make conclusions that barely even demonstrate intuition. You expect us to believe this stuff?If mankind had evolved, as evolutionists claim, then why didn't man discover ink a million years ago?


Are you kidding? If this page of non-sequiturs, half-baked "ideas", false facts and outright lies is your notion of "irrefutable proof", I don't think anyone needs to pay any attention to you anymore. It's just ridiculous.
For starters, homo sapiens is about 200,000 years old, at most. Go from there. I don't even know why I or anyone else would bother to refute this childishness. It's beneath intelligent people.


Louis,homo sapiens is about 200,000 years old, at most. Go from there. I don't even know why I or anyone else would bother to refute this childishness. It's beneath intelligent people.
I'm with you on this. It's so far beneath intelligent people it could likely qualify as a "fossil" from the early stages of primate evolution.


It’s funny how I almost didn’t join this forum because of members like Christian Soldier, who at first seem to be a big waste of time because the same arguments are repeated over ad nauseum. But then I see how so many members patiently argue and explain the facts to him, no matter how ridiculous his counter-arguments get, and it’s this patience and humanistic spirit that got me into this forum in the end. More importantly, these kinds of arguments are almost always entertaining to the highest degree
And it’s people like Christian Soldier who remind us atheists there are many many like him, who are always arguing against evolution for the wrong reasons, imposing their beliefs on everyone, who take everything except valid science at face value (ie. the bible, the media, etc), and/or who join forums like these yet stubbornly refuse to truly listen to what we have to say.
We already know that whatever credentials Christian Soldier has was shot long ago when he provided a link trying to prove that God actually healed an amputee, not realizing that it was a satirical article and that said article was from the Atheist Bus website! But yet he keeps coming back and we keep arguing with him.
I’m sorry to speak of you in the third person Christian Soldier, but I'd really like to ask you why are you so afraid of what evolution has to say about our origins and our nature?
I know you try to take the time to read and view the links that we give you, but are you really learning something from us, or are you here just to (futilely) prove us wrong?