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Evolution is only a Theory

This is a discussion on Evolution is only a Theory within the Evolution forums, part of the Science category; Originally Posted by rayback His idea of what a theory and fact supposed to be is same as mine. Great! ...

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    Default Re: Evolution is only a Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by rayback View Post
    His idea of what a theory and fact supposed to be is same as mine.
    Great! Here's what he said a theory is:

    Philosophers of science, and physicists, define "theory" as a well-established and well-tested unifying principle.
    And here's a bit of what he said about evolution and its relationship to physical laws:

    There is no "force" of evolution or "principle" of evolution, and no single universal law of evolution. Evolution is the natural result of many other laws of physics, geometry, chemistry, etc. That's why one can't characterize evolution with a compact set of laws that you could write on the back of an envelope.
    And this is where he points out that arguments like yours are really a red herring designed to discredit evolution without having to address real merits or shortcomings directly:

    Perhaps avoidance of the word "theory" in these discussions could eliminate a lot of wasted words about irrelevant issues. Creationists will still object to anything that does not allow them to believe in the possibility of supernatural intervention in the natural order, but then it might be harder for them to conceal their real concerns.
    Anyhow, now that everything's apparently settled, I guess we have nothing more to discuss here. Terrific! I'm glad you turned around on the issue.

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    Default Re: Evolution is only a Theory

    Watch this rayback.

    [video=Evolution - The 'Best' Counter Arguments]23[/video]
    Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
    Religion, n. A daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
    Philosophy, n. A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing.
    -Ambrose Bierce

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    [QUOTE=rayback;5191Atheists are simply incapable of being fair or objective. Look at this Louis as a classic example.[/QUOTE]

    Ray, I've only been a member for 20 minutes and you're already beginning to piss me off. You're obvioulsy a troll - it was picked up immediately in the Australian Atheists forum.

    If you want to sign up as a Muslim, then why not go post here: http://www.themuslimzone.com/.

    Tell them Brad sent you. I think they've got a special on virgins this week. Throw yourself under a bus, or any mode of transport that you'd prefer, and you get 50% more in the after life. It's only this week though, so hurry.

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    Brad, you've only been here for 20 minutes but already I like you!
    Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
    Religion, n. A daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
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    Default Re: Evolution is only a Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    Throw yourself under a bus
    Preferably an atheist bus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post

    Ray, I've only been a member for 20 minutes and you're already beginning to piss me off.
    Thank you very much.



    Its rare for an Atheist to admit his inner hatred.

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    "There's no point in arguing scientific facts with someone whose worldview is metaphysical and nonscientific. There's no point in presenting geological age data to someone who "knows" the age of the Earth from the Bible." (Playing by the Rules by Harriet Hall, Skeptical Inquirer May/June 2009)
    (The above was taken directly from the forum rules which we were all FORCED to accept prior to posting). It seems some of you have forgotten

    A fact is Ray's opinion should marginalize him as the ignorant buffon he is. The same way we as a progressive and forward moving society marginalize a man who hears voices in their head. I point to the modern mental health system overflowing and medicating such people even locking them up for our protection as evidence of this claim. Sadly only under the guise of religion can delusional people not be recognized for what they are - delusional. Sadly only under the guise of religious claims do we only view evolution as unreliable.

    If people desire to not accept evolution as a fact and present no other theory that can be reviewed by the global scientific then there is no need to continue speaking with them. The fact is there are tens of thousands of documents that clearly and articulately demonstrate evolution as a fact; the most intelligent and reasonable method us humans have came to inhabit the earth.

    Deepak Chopra and handfuls of other competent men and women of science will compellingly argue wilt the same ferocious veracity as Ray that the collapse of the wave function as seen in the double slit experiment is evidence the electron is intelligent. BTW if Chopra is right Christianity is wrong - atheism might not be.

    With even more ferocious unquestionable veracity not too long ago men were willing to kill for their right to own slaves. It was after their way of life. Possibly tens of thousands.

    Lazy people who wish to own African Americans new age doctors and people like Ray will always exist. However, until they can validate their claims listening to them or discussing their delusions with them is pointless. Although not relevant Chopra alone during his career has obtained more respect, money and media attention when compared to slave owners or the ID community.

    If you disagree with evolution as a fact let's discuss the specifics. No one, well it seems they do - 5pages later, has time to deal with lingustical contortions or trite drivel.

    The fact is the marginalized opinion evolution is false does not matter(almost always religious). In fact it will not matter until it can present 'something else' intelligent to take the place in every single vertical of modern science evolution has now earned its place in after 100 + years of scrutiny.

    So lets stop banter and man up kid.
    Last edited by AntiTheist; 07-05-2009 at 01:57 PM. Reason: Typo

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    Default Re: Evolution is only a Theory

    I look forward to speaking with all theists who believe evolution is false. I respectfully request you start a new thread with a relevant subject. Within the body identify what it is you disagree with, do your best to document any available evidence or current theories which support the claim you feel is false.

    Then dismantle or 'debunk' the claim.

    I am confident myself or others on the forum will respond in the same way when explaining to you why/how your misconceptions are incorrect.

    *Please let's discuss ideas or concepts rather than argue about the use/misuse of single words. Language as a whole is just too darn subjective.
    Last edited by AntiTheist; 07-05-2009 at 03:20 PM. Reason: Language is subjective

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