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Re: Judaism and Racism How true.
“Believe nothing, no matter where you have read it, or who said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own common sense.”
Buddha.
There exists only the present instant... a Now which always and without end is itself new. There is no yesterday nor any tomorrow, but only Now, as it was a thousand years ago and as it will be a thousand years hence.
Meister Eckhart
Re: Judaism and Racism While Judaism is a religion (quite correctly called so regardless of what Einstein stupidly stated in that quote posted by metatron, if Einstein ever actually stated that) the Jewish people could be called ethnoreligious, an ethnic group sharing a common religious background.
According to the UN, racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination are the same thing.
Re: Judaism and Racism No, they can not SkepticalLynda. The whole of the Judaist canon does not sum up the rule of law for the Jewish people. Spinoza after being cherem by the Judaist religion remained a Jew.
It is incredibly self righteous in some of the Jewish community to mark Jews all under the banner of Judaist, untill excommunication. It is assumed they are by the majority of the Church; still Judaist, untill that day comes. I speculate believing that they are the chosen people has blinded Judaists to the sense of humility that should be present in observing social discourse.
There is no human nature that is not change
Demojen
Re: Judaism and Racism Yes, Spinoza was excommunicated yet remained a Jew. Thus the term ethnoreligious fits the Jewish community quite well. If a Seventh-day Adventist is removed from the membership role of that church body, that person is no longer a Seventh-day Adventist because there is no ethnic connection. It is purely a religious grouping.Spinoza after being cherem by the Judaist religion remained a Jew.
Re: Judaism and Racism I concede that it is a valid term to refer to them now, but I refuse to condone it and fight the argument in the jewish community that supports it's the way it should be.
It's incredibly oppressive and has led to both suicide and homocide in the jewish community of converts and "sinners".
One might argue by those standards Nazi Germany were ethnoreligious.
I just don't think it's something people should encourage.
There is no human nature that is not change
Demojen
Re: Judaism and Racism It is both. There are many Jews who are atheist/secular in their beliefs, in fact they are probably the majority in Israel however they are all the genetic descendants of Abraham -> Jacob which is an ethnicity. Having said that it is the Jewish faith that defines the Jewish people more than any other thing. So my vote is both.Originally Posted by Kiefer
A reporter is interviewing people on the street and approaches a man,
"Which issue do you feel is more important today, Ignorance or Apathy?"
The man paused for a moment and replied...
"I don't know and I don't care"
"If we don't believe in free speech for people we hate, we don't believe in it at all." Chomsky
Re: Judaism and Racism That would make Muslims and Arabs ... Jews.they are all the genetic descendants of Abraham ->
They are brothers and cousins killing each other ??? Why ?
Ishmael (Hebrew: ???????????, Standard Yišma?el Tiberian Yišm??êl; Arabic: ????????, 'Ism?‘?l) is a figure in the Torah, Bible, and Qur'an. Jewish, Christian and Muslim Ishmael is Abraham's eldest son or first born and natural heir. Ishmael is born of Sarai's hand maiden Hagar (Genesis 16:3). Although born of Hagar, according to Mesopotamian law, Ishmael was credited as Sarai's son; a legal heir through marriage. (Genesis 16:2)[1] According to the Genesis account, he died at the age of 137 (Genesis 25:17).[2]
Both Jewish and Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of northern Arab people.[1]
The eye with which I see God is the same eye with which God sees me.
- Meister Eckhart
Re: Judaism and Racism One word, can you guess what it is?
(It's religion.)
Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
Religion, n. A daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
Philosophy, n. A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing.
-Ambrose Bierce
Re: Judaism and Racism Yes - religion destroys.
I agree with you 100 %. They do not realize that they are brothers and sisters.
They have been blinded by dogma, laws and superstition.
The same God exists in every pore and every ferion of jew and muslim alike.
Every fanatic that kills another is killing God. And they fail to see this.
They do not know science, they do not know Darwin's evolution.
Darwin helped free the slaves. He opened the eyes of the blind. As did Jesus, as did the Buddha.
The Kingdom of God is within. Darwin knew this. He abandoned his religion as have I.
But I have come to know God from the very beginning. And I refuse to hate and kill my brother.
Love One and another.
The eye with which I see God is the same eye with which God sees me.
- Meister Eckhart
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