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Faith the paradox... understanding how it is a paradox

This is a discussion on Faith the paradox... understanding how it is a paradox within the Ethics and Morals forums, part of the Atheism category; I've read little about Kierkegaard and even less by him but his name sometimes comes up in campfire pondering and ...

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    Default Re: Faith the paradox... understanding how it is a paradox

    I've read little about Kierkegaard and even less by him but his name sometimes comes up in campfire pondering and pontificating sessions at astronomy star parties. My impression of the faith/reason paradox is sort of as follows:

    There are degrees of faith ranging from:
    having faith that something is so because it seems likely
    to
    having faith in spite of apparent likelihood.

    Kierkegaard felt that having faith in something that reason tells you is probably true is easy and hardly even qualifies as faith. Real faith comes from believing something that your reason tells you is probably not true.

    The more unreasonable a prospect is the more faith it requires to believe it. Therefore, in order to have the strongest faith, one must also have strong evidence and reasoning faculties to understand the logical case against that prospect.

    I admit that I don't get that from the quote provided by Chris. Maybe Kierkegaard had more than one paradox relating to faith...
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    That quote appears to be something he would've written in his later life, when he argued against the dogmatic practices of organised religion....It may be that he'd aimed to discredit the state of a church and place the onus of belief on the individual, which would account for the controversy over where he was buried.

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    Organized religion is brutal.

    Even Jesus got kicked out.
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    I wouldn't put too much stock in philosophy. Most of it was being done when real science didn't exist. You can't consider ANY of those classic questions without applying them in the context of what we know today. Physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, even psychology all have a considerable amount to say on the subject today of why we are as we are. And it has a lot more to do, mostly everything, with those aforementioned sciences than philosophy does. Philosopy is nothing more than fumbling around in the dark trying to find a light to make sense of it all. And yes, you can talk about reason and logic - both predicated on the science of mathematics - a priori knowledge and all kinds of jive, but that's all it is...jive, without the hard facts to back it up.

    Understand how the universe came into being, then narrow it down to our little globe, and then how life got started, then the evolution of said life, and all the logical cause and effect answers that get us to why we are as we are and you don't need faith.

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    Philosophy studies the fundamental nature of existence, of man, and of man's relationship to existence. … In the realm of cognition, the special sciences are the trees, but philosophy is the soil which makes the forest possible.
    —Ayn Rand, Philosophy, Who Needs It (p. 2)
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    I like the way Ayn Rand describes philosophy. Scientific enquiry has philosophy as its starting point.
    It's interesting to think that before scientific evidence was available to suggest that the world didn't need a god to function, philosophers had already been able to logically and rationally figure it out.

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