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Faking religion for arguments sake

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    Does anyone else lie that they are of a certain religion just for the sake of a debate?

    Both online and off, I've entered discussions as a "liberal Christian" to be able to ask questions without appearing as a outsider. Sometimes to set them up for a tough self-conflicting issue or just to ask normal questions without any stigma. I've never faked Islam or Judaism as that somehow seems a violation of another culture.

    But more fun is faking Paganism, Wiccan, or even Satanism. If the discussion is towards how freedom of religion is greater than separation of church and state, then being an Atheist puts me against personal "freedom". But as a Wiccan, I can cause a much different debate by showing how the "of religion" part is not so universal. I can make up all the solstice energy or goddess nonsense I want and either they have to respect it or face their hypocrisy.

    Satanist is bit hard to pull off without laughing. It's similarly used to combat the right of religions to be part of government, schools, libraries, etc. If it's a right to use the gym for Christian youth groups, then so also for Tiny Souls for Satan. Right? No?

    The wierd part of this deception is that it can also gives you a taste of instantly belonging to a bigger group who now "loves" you to some extent. This is definately a part of religion that we can't forget exists as it's certainly responsible for a good percentage of religious belief.

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    Hah, that was fun reading. I don't really have the will to deceive like that, but I'm certain it makes for interesting entertainment. :P Do you ever reveal yourself, and have a kind of "gotcha" moment?

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    The short version is just in response to a "God bless you". When not in the mood to nod and smile, I could say "But there is no God". But that seems more confrontational and without much hope for a positive outcome. But by saying "And may the Goddess bless you", I both defy the Christian overtones and keep the enchange amiable.

    I actually do like the Pagan/Wiccan mythology and followers, just not to the point of taking it seriously. If I every do suffer severe head trama, that's the belief system I'm embracing.

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    You don't even have to fake it sometimes. Many Christians will just assume you believe in the same religion as them.

    But that seems more confrontational and without much hope for a positive outcome.
    I agree. I find that if you have the goal of changing someone's mind right away, you won't get anywhere. The best I hope for is small doubts in their certainty.
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    Sounds too much like being dishonest in order to entertain yourself at the expense of another........but at least it is not hypocritical.....since it is consistent with Atheism.

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    Default Re: Faking religion for arguments sake

    Quote Originally Posted by B Roodnick View Post
    Sounds too much like being dishonest in order to entertain yourself at the expense of another........but at least it is not hypocritical.....since it is consistent with Atheism.
    So you are saying all atheists are dishonest? Or that atheists entertain themselves at the expense of others?
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    Default Re: Faking religion for arguments sake

    Quote Originally Posted by B Roodnick View Post
    Sounds too much like being dishonest in order to entertain yourself at the expense of another........but at least it is not hypocritical.....since it is consistent with Atheism.
    Are you trying to make a valid criticism or just being a jerk?
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    I really hope that you're trying to be funny, B Roodnick.

    Your entire belief system serves to entertain yourself at the expense of another.

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    Default Re: Faking religion for arguments sake

    Rudenick has got his hands on a copy of the "Atheist Sooper Seekrit Handbook" and knows all about our special code of beliefs and axioms. No point appealing to logic with this one - he has his truth and can't possible be wrong.
    "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself -- and you are the easiest person to fool." -- Richard Feynman

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