Disbelief in the Creator is just Belief in the Death.

The Return of Jesus Christ August 7, 2022



"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Rev. 6.12). This is the 6th seal, near the end of the past two millennia. Jesus died on the cross in the first seal with a bow and arrow that looks like a cross. The bow is without the arrow, because it has been shot, giving Satan a deadly wound. The 7th seal will open up the 7 Trumpets of the 7 year Tribulation (8.7ff). At the commencement is the First Rapture "before the throne" (7.9) concordant with 12.5 in which chapters 12 to 19 give the details of the major points of chapters 7 to 11. Only those who overcometh, who keep the word of His patience, will be taken up at the first rapture Sept. 14, 2015 on Feast of Trumpets.



The rest of the Christians along with the unsaved who are alive will pass through the time of testing - the Tribulation. "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21.36) at Rev. 7.9 "before the throne." Only if "thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev. 3.10). "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come" (Matt. 24.40-42). Most people don't know when the Tribulation will start so watch carefully. Brothers and sisters in Christ keep the conduct of Matthew 5-7.



"Just so, when you see the events I've described [Israel becoming an nation again] beginning to happen, you can know his return is very near, right at the door" (Matt. 24.33).



There was only one time in the past two millennia since Christ there was two feast Tetrads in a single century. A feast-filled Total Lunar Tetrad falls on Passover, Tabernacles and again, on Passover and Tabernacles. There is a 5% chance for it to have occurred again in the 20th century. There was a 2% chance one of those Tetrads would fall on 1949/50 or 1967/68 and a 1% chance on the other date, so that's approximately a 1 in 100,000 chance. The next feast-filled Tetrad is 2014/15 and the one after that is 2582/83, nearly 600 years from now. I don't think Jesus was referring to a 600 year waiting period but perhaps as much as 70 years since 1948. Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948, but they continued to fight for a year and did not sign the Armistice Agreements till 1949. Israel took over Jerusalem June 7, 1967.



Just know that if you don't die in the nuclear holocaust (Rev. 9.18), you don't die from pestilence, disease and sores from taking the mark of the beast (16.11), you don't die from the ground war of 200 million fighting units (9.18) and you don't take the mark of the beast, the implant under your skin (20.4), God will give you opportunity to be saved when Jesus steps down on the mount of olives. But do you really want to risk waiting till then?



Jesus returns in Person Aug. 7, 2022 on Tisha B'Av to commemorate when the first two Temples wer destroyed. "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives" (Zech. 14.4). "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." (Acts 1.11). "Look! He comes with the clouds of heaven. And everyone will see him--even those who pierced him. And all the nations of the earth will weep because of him. Yes! Amen!" (Rev. 1.7). Tisha B'Av, Aug. 7, 2022 is exactly 2,520 days from Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets. Tisha B'Av does not fall on the 2,520th day from the Feast of Trumpets in 2014 or 2016. This is how God's children know.



Praise the Lord! Amen.



Total Lunar Tetrad and Red Blood Moon

Originally Posted by Parture

The Return of Jesus Christ August 7, 2022

Parture,

You've already got two threads to spam in. This thread is Saeed's thread to spam in.

You're going to have to learn how to share with the other trolls.

Originally Posted by wheels5894

1. Einstein's greatest blunder, as you call it, has been satisfactorily been dealt with by moving the constant to the other side of the equations. Try to keep up to date here.

S1:
This doesn’t change the fact that countless people, including Einstein, were fooled for thousands of years by just depending upon the available visual means to know the state of the universe.

2. If the Qur'an is so great with astronomy, why did no Muslim tell us about the expansion of the universe BEFORE Hubble discovered this? It is all very well to look back and find something in the text that seems to fit but it is prediction that counts here. The Qur'an failed to predict this discovery so it hardly counts.

S2:
Not true. If you read Arabic you will know that the Qur’anic verse 51: 47 is unambiguous about expansion of the sky. Though a number of commentators couldn’t grasp the actual meaning of the verse and tried, without any credible evidence, to ascribe it to increase in provision by the increase in rain from the sky; certain commentators like Muqatil bin Sulaiman who died in the year 150 A H (about 722 A D) did state that it refers to the expansion of the sky. Though there are certain scientific facts mentioned in the Qur’an; it is not basically a book of science, but, a religious scripture.

Now if you could predict something from the Qur'an that is not yet know to science, that would be worth while.

S3:
If you investigate you will find quite a number of them, for example:
1-
THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN By M M Pickthall

099.001 When Earth is shaken with her (final) earthquake099.002 And Earth yieldeth up her burdens,
099.003 And man saith: What aileth her ?
099.004 That day she will relate her chronicles,

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THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN By M M Pickthall

075.005 But man would fain deny what is before him.
075.006 He asketh: When will be this Day of Resurrection ?075.007 But when sight is confounded
075.008 And the moon is eclipsed
075.009 And sun and moon are united,075.010 On that day man will cry: Whither to flee!
075.011 Alas! No refuge!
075.012 Unto thy Lord is the recourse that day.

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THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN By M M Pickthall

073.015 Lo! We have sent unto you a messenger as witness against you, even as We sent unto Pharaoh a messenger.
073.016 But Pharaoh rebelled against the messenger, whereupon We seized him with no gentle grip.
073.017 Then how, if ye disbelieve, will ye protect yourselves upon the day which will turn children grey,
073.018 The very heaven being then rent asunder. His promise is to be fulfilled. 073.019 Lo! This is a Reminder. Let him who will, then, choose a way unto his Lord.

Saeed

This doesn’t change the fact that countless people, including Einstein, were fooled for thousands of years by just depending upon the available visual means to know the state of the universe.

So, the fact that science doesn't get it right the first time every time is news to you and somehow proves that unproven religious beliefs are right? Religious texts, as wheels was trying to point out, contain vague, interpreted predictions to come true in some unknown future date. If you make it vague (or "interpreted") enough and don't give exact dates eventually SOMEONE will think it came true.

Not true. If you read Arabic you will know that the Qur’anic verse 51: 47 is unambiguous about expansion of the sky. Though a number of commentators couldn’t grasp the actual meaning of the verse and tried, without any credible evidence, to ascribe it to increase in provision by the increase in rain from the sky; certain commentators like Muqatil bin Sulaiman who died in the year 150 A H (about 722 A D) did state that it refers to the expansion of the sky. Though there are certain scientific facts mentioned in the Qur’an; it is not basically a book of science, but, a religious scripture.

It's unambiguous but people don't agree on what it's saying? That sounds pretty textbook ambiguous to me. Apparently it depends on how you "interpret" it, considering that your belief that it is saying the "sky" is expanding is only apparently one interpretation. Let's ignore the fact that "the sky" does not automatically imply "all of space" (that's a conclusion you drew, not even what you claim it says). Let's also ignore the fact that proponents of the Bible have similar wild claims of advanced knowledge with no basis whatsoever (they sound exactly like your claims). Let's ALSO ignore the fact that you are suggesting that the writer had advanced scientific knowledge that the universe was expanding but didn't have an advanced understanding of science, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

If you investigate you will find quite a number of them, for example:

He means predictions that you can prove, not nonsensical things which may or may not happen. By the time the "end times" come it will really be to late for your "proof" to make much difference. And "there will be an eclipse" is not exactly a genius level prediction. I predict that there will be lots of eclipses in places on or near the earth over the next indeterminate amount of time. Do you know what? I'm right. Am I a prophet now?

Originally Posted by saeedalyousuf

S:
This means that you cannot believe in your own future existence without the belief in the creator of the universe. Therefore, cannot live the real human life without the belief in the creator of the universe.

The simple fact that I walk away from you and return at some speed means that I have travelled into your future. If your future did not exist, you would cease to exist when I have made my little walk. I have done this all the time and nobody seems to cease existing. Sorry try again.