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    I have always been quietly angry about being kidnapped and dunked in a fountain in a church before I could talk.
    I never discussed with my folks, and now they are both gone it's moot,
    but I have noticed a trend in Europe anyway that ceremonies are being held and
    debaptism certificates created.

    Has anyone heard of this in Canada? How can I get debaptized?
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    I heard of it many years ago in relation to Wiccans, but I have no sources. But consider how kooky it seems, if you will. Whereas I understand the sentiment, consider that "debaptizing" yourself actually legitimizes the original baptism. We all know that baptism is simply one more goofy manifestation of one particular religion's dogma. That parents can do something to their kids when they are least able to protest, however innocuous it might seem to them, is no surprise when they are steeped in such dogma. But at the end of the day, we know it signifies nothing. It's merely a curious cultural wart that we have dismissed along with all of religion's acroutrements. My baptism signifies nothing, factually and personally.

    If one wanted a "debaptism" to make a kind of statement, I get it. But it seems to me that "reversing" a baptism actually admits to believing that the original baptism had some mystical supernatural quality. And of course that's just silly.

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    What happened to your beard, Louis?

    You are correct of course, I guess with the long midnite shift, I just got excited at
    undoing a wrong. Who would the statement be for though, the perpetrators have both passed away.

    Up until I read the article on debaptism, I hadn't given my dunking a single thought in decades,
    and it certainly has not affected me at all.

    Interesting trend though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by choSenfroZen View Post
    What happened to your beard, Louis?
    The beard picture was from last summer. This picture is from the summer before that. But since I no longer have the beard, it's closer to how I look now.

    If debaptism will make you happy, do it. You can even do it yourself. "I unbaptize myself in the name of the non-existent Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. There are no such things. Ramen."

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    I agree that its fighting superstition with superstition. However in several places where they have debaptism its a way of getting off of the church records. Otherwise the church continues to list people who never show up or agree with them as members. I guess, also, for some people who have felt very damaged by the religion they grew up in its a symbolic rejection.

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    I agree with Louis. Going through a whole ordeal it means you are actually giving a huge significance to the baptism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrog View Post
    However in several places where they have debaptism its a way of getting off of the church records. Otherwise the church continues to list people who never show up or agree with them as members.
    It doesn't seem like it would be hard to get excommunicated from the church. That might be quite a bit of fun actually....
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    It doesn't seem like it would be hard to get excommunicated from the church. That might be quite a bit of fun actually....
    In Roman Catholic dogma, you are excommunicated if you miss Easter mass. That is the one Catholic mass that you are absolutely required to attend on pain of banishment from the hocus-pocus.

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    Yeah, my family was Catholic. I'm pretty sure I've been excommunicated for a loooong time now.
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    If I had been baptized I would want to be debaptized asap. Not to bring validity to it, but as a way of saying fuck you to whoever had it done in the first place. Similar to my sister changing her last name to our step fathers.
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    Religion, n. A daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
    Philosophy, n. A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing.
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