The Atheist Reality?

Saeed, you're doing it again. You're just repeating the same stupid, meaningless, unsubstantiated assertion yet again.

My basis for reality is the material universe and the rules for its behaviour (the laws of physics) as we've been able to observe and deduce them.

Why don't you try saying something different for a change? Instead of repeating the same crap over and over why don't you try telling us exactly what it is us non-believers should do in order to "live the real human life"? Specifically, physically what is it we should be doing?

So now YOU are a god? I was unaware that YOU, personally, were solely responsible for defining what is "the real human life". As is common with theists you are confusing your need for a god with reality. I know your god is a reality to you, but your belief has no affect whatsoever on reality.

By the way, the atheist CAN believe in anything he or she wants except one or more gods and still be an atheist. Technically I can believe my future is assured by the Tooth Fairy and still be an atheist so long as I don't think of her as a god. Common sense is not required to be an atheist, but it does come in quite handy for arguments as poorly constructed as this one.

So I just added a book to my Amazon.ca wish list. It's called "50 Reasons People Give For Believing In A God".

Here are the chapter titles:

1. My god is obvious.
2. Almost everybody on Earth is religious.
3. Faith is a good thing.
4. Archaeological discoveries prove that my god exists.
5. Only my god can make me feel significant.
6. Atheism is just another religion.
7. Evolution is bad.
8. Our world is too beautiful to be an accident.
9. My god created the universe.
10. Believing in my god makes me happy.
11. Better safe than sorry.
12. A sacred book proves my god is real.
13. Divine justice proves my god is real.
14. My god answers prayers.
15. I would rather worship my god than the devil.
16. My god heals sick people.
17. Anything is better than being an atheist.
18. My god made the human body.
19. My god sacrificed his only son for me.
20. Atheists are jerks who think they know everything.
21. I don't lose anything by believing in my god.
22. I didn't come from a monkey.
23. I don't want to go to hell.
24. I feel my god when I pray.
25. I need my god to protect me.
26. I want eternal life.
27. Without my god we would have no sense of right and wrong.
28. My god makes me feel like I am part of something bigger than myself.
29. My religion makes more sense than all the others.
30. My god changes lives.
31. Intelligent design proves my god is real.
32. Millions of people can't be wrong about my religion.
33. Miracles prove my god is real.
34. Religion is beautiful.
35. Some very smart people believe in my god.
36. Ancient prophecies prove my god exists.
37. No one has ever disproved the existence of my god.
38. People have gone to heaven and returned.
39. Religion brings people together.
40. My god inspires people.
41. Science can't explain everything.
42. Society would fall apart without religion.
43. My religion is so old, it must be true.
44. Someone I trust told me that my god is real.
45. Atheism is a negative and empty philosophy.
46. Believing in a god doesn't hurt anyone.
47. The earth is perfectly tuned to support life.
48. Believing is natural so my god must be real.
49. The end is near.
50. I am afraid of not believing.

I'm hoping one of my kids will get it for me for Xmas or something and then I'll post a review in the book thread. I only mention it here because I'm curious to know how Saeed feels about the 50 statements posted above. Do you think any of these are good reasons for believing in a god? What would be the top 5? Do you think any of these are not good reasons for believing in a god?

Actually, Xmas / Winterval is coming up so I might email Santa for this. It looks quite interesting. I bet Saeed doesn't want to read it - indeed a good Muslim country would ban it as it might suggest religion is optional.

This is utter rubbish! how do I start?

1. Atheism is nothing more than the rejection of belief in gods - any sort of god. People with a religion do this for all but one god so are pretty close to being atheists anyway. Why do you reject Thor, Saeed? That makes you an atheist in respect of him.

2. Atheism has nothing at all else to say - so not that different from religion then!

3. The Law of Physics which, or course, permeate everywhere have something to say about all matter. However, at present, applying them to whole organism is quite beyond us but who knows what else will come. Nonetheless, the fact is that religion has not evidence for future existence in this life or any other that might, possibly, follow it. We don't use the laws of physics to decide if there will be continuing life though as we have other means. For one thing, it is clear that life on this planet has been here a very long time - having evolved from earlier life forms. It is clear that there is nothing (apart from religion) likely to end this present state for a good 500 million years when the sun becomes a red giant. Human life will continue until conditions for its existence cause it to come to an end. By then we may have made the move to another planet however. Perhaps, Saeed you will explain what your nonsense actually means as I do not see how science, in the whole, does not see a future for us, the human race, and the planet itself, at least for the next 500 million years. Heck, we can even work out the fate of the whole universe!

Originally Posted by saeedalyousuf

S1:
Since the "material universe and the rules for its behaviour (the laws of physics)" do not provide evidence for the future existence of the human life then it is not qualified as the basis for the real human life. Therefore atheism is not compatible with the real human life.

More word salad. Saeed, you're going to have to define what the fuck you mean by "the real human life". You're just not making sense.

Originally Posted by saeedalyousuf

S2:
The least thing that the atheists can do is to accord to atheism the same treatment that it does to them. Since atheism does not recognize the human reality, the human beings also do have the right to reject atheism.

Saeed

Do you have atheists coming to your house on Saturday mornings telling you that you are not allowed to believe in Allah? Do atheists pester you on the street with their demands that you must change your beliefs or you will be tortured in agony for all eternity? Do idiotic atheists keep posting meaningless gibberish on your Islamic discussion forum? Are atheist provocateurs lobbying your government, demanding that laws be passed to prevent you from worshiping your magical sky fairy? No? Well then, I guess you do have a right to reject atheism.